Thursday, March 29, 2012

Jeremiah--Discussion I

Please read through my Jeremiah study questions and then as much as you can of the first half of Jeremiah. Be sure to read Chapters 16, 20, 23, and 28.

Suppose you are asked to help prepare an anthology of great quotations from the ancient world. There are going to be two Jeremiah quotes, and you get to one of them. Of all of Jeremiah's many quotable lines, which two would you choose? Why this line? Of the other verses suggested by students in this class so far, which would you choose for your 2nd Jeremiah quote?

If you are one of the first three or four posters, you can choose an extra quote from Jeremiah on your own rather than commenting on another poster's verse.

18 comments:

  1. One question first. I thought smote was like being killed, but 20:2 Pashur smote Jeremiah. Is there more than one meaning?

    Quote one: 20:13 "Sing unto the Lord, praise ye the Lord: for he hath delivered the should of the poor from the hand of evildoers."
    I think this is something people want to hear. They want a Lord (God) who will protect them from all they see as evil. Sadly the only problem is that for most of Jeremiah people were being bad themselves.

    Quote 2: 23:11: "For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house I have found their wickedness, saith the Lord"
    This one I believe, speaks to the Modern Age. Look at all those Priest, TV speakers, and Doom Sayers. All of whom use the Bible or some religious text to say that we should believe them. They sometimes twist the words to make things fit what they want it to.

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  2. My favorite Jeremiah quote isn't from the four chapters, but I like its message, especially the NIV translation.
    Jeremiah 29:11 reads, "'For I know the plans I have for you,' declares the LORD. 'Plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.'"
    This gives people faith that God knows what he is doing long term, giving them hope that even if things are difficult in the present, God has something, hopefully better, in store for their future. In a way, it ties into the verse Laura selected (Jeremiah 20:13)

    The second verse I would select is Jeremiah 23:3, KJV reads "And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase."
    I like how this verse reflects the idea that God's followers will be united together. I think sometimes as a people, both in ancient and modern times, it was/is easy to feel alone in one's beliefs about God. The idea that all followers will be brought together and find better times is a good source of encouragement.

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  3. My favorite Jeremiah verse is 29:11 just like Mikayla's, so I will talk about two different ones;
    1st verse/s chosen - Is Jeremiah 10:23-25 and I believe that Jeremiah is asking the Lord to not result in anger to the people who has wickedness and listening to false prophets, but to react with mercy towards the people.

    2nd verse chosen - Jeremiah 20:11 "Sing to the Lord! Give praise to the Lord! He rescues the life of the needy from the hands of the wicked" and what is meant by this verse is that if you believe in the Lord, and speak his name faithfully you will be blessed and cleared from the wicked.

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  4. I think a very powerful quote is this from 16:8- "For this is what the LORD Almighty, the God of Israel, says: Before your eyes and in your days I will bring an end to the sounds of joy and gladness and to the voices of bride and bridegroom in this place." God is fed up with his rebellious people and he says his judgement is inevitable and that it will affect everybody.
    I also like 23:3- "I myself will gather the remnant of my flock and out of all the countries where I have driven them and will bring them back to their pasture, where they will be fruitful and increase in number" It shows the God is punishing his people but he's doing it in love and wants them to grow closer to him because of it. -Zach Kuhlman

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  5. I find the quote from 16:17 and 16:18 very eye opening as it is a reminder that God sees all of the good and all of the evil and will judge accordingly. It says "My eyes are on all their ways; they are not hidden from me, nor is their sin concealed from my eyes. I will repay them double for their wickedness and their sin..."

    I also like the quotes from 23:1 to 23:3, part of which says "I myself will gather the remnant of my flock out of all the countries where I have driven them and will bring them back to their pasture, where they will be fruitful and increase in number." This shows that although God is angry with the prophets/people and promises an evil punishment, he will save the few righteous ones and give them land and his blessing to go forth and prosper.

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  6. Jeremiah 4:19 "Oh, my anguish, my anguish! I writhe in pain. Oh, the agony of my heart! My heart pounds within me, I cannot keep silent. For I have heard the sound of the trumpet; I have heard the battle cry." I chose this verse because of the intense emotion expressed. I just kept trying to imagine what God must have been feeling for His people and what he was allowing Jeremiah to feel too (just knowing the depth of his love). I feel like Jeremiah expresses how the things God is revealing to him are making him feel in 20:9.
    If I had to choose a 2nd verse from the ones that are already mentioned I would choose 23:3. God says that His people have been led astray and He himself will gather them again and give them good leaders.

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  7. Jeremiah 14:12 - Though they fast, I will not hear their cry, and though they offer burnt offering and cereal offering, I will not accept them; but I will consume them by the sword, by famine, and by pestilence. - In this verse God is condemning the people of Judah for their loss of faith in the Lord once again. When they are finally calling and praying to God for forgiveness and some sort of miracle for help he shuns them. This is one of the first times God although wrathful shows no mercy for the people of Israel.
    Jeremiah 18:5 Then the word of the Lord came to me: "O house of Israel, can I not do with you as this potter has done? says the Lord . Behold, like the clay in the potter's hand, so are you in my hand, O house of Israel. - In this passage God asks Jeremiah to go to the potter's house and wait for the message. This is the message he gets and it is God showing how his people he can mold them in his hands or crush them at any time. He is showing them that they are at his mercy at all times and he will do with them what he wills if they are disobedient or lose faith.
    - Jordan Wald

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  8. Rather than focus on the 4 chapters set aside for us to read, I did go through the first half of the book. I feel like the first 16 chapters were all about shunning the Hebrews, and mentioning all the wrongs that they had done. It would mention that things would ultimately be better for them, but I feel like chapter 17 actually gives a good reason to follow the Lord.

    17:7 ~ Blessed [is] the man that trusteth in the LORD, and whose hope the LORD is.
    17:8 ~ For he shall be as a tree planted by the waters, and [that] spreadeth out her roots by the river, and shall not see when heat cometh, but her leaf shall be green; and shall not be careful in the year of drought, neither shall cease from yielding fruit.

    This passage gives a good reason to follow God. You won't have to worry about the troubles that normally bother people, but will flourish in times of heat and drought, or just bad times in general. I also really like this message, because it was one of the first uplifting passages that followed a very long line of passages that just kept shunning the Hebrews.
    Another interesting passage is in chapter 7.

    7:9 ~ Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and burn incense unto Baal, and walk after other gods whom ye know not;
    7:10 ~ And come and stand before me in this house, which is called by my name, and say, We are delivered to do all these abominations?

    These may not be Jeremiah's words, but they are coming from his mouth. It's basically telling us that God know's the sins of man, and they can't just go behind His back, worshipping idols and commiting all these detestable things, and then go into a temple of God and be forgiven. This might be a message to some who have a very misguided view of how God is.

    If I was to select from another classmate, I would agree with "mmbarondeau" on 23:3
    This passage is one of hope. It's hope for the Hebrews that they will be returning to something of their former glory.
    It also goes on to talk about "The Lord Our Righteousness" coming out of a righteous branch of David. This man will rule and prosper and and Judah and Israel will be safe again. (23:5-6)

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  9. I know its already been said but I have to say my favorite quote is Jeremiah 29:11. Its just such a great, powerful, and uplifting quote. It reassures you that things happen for a reason and god has a plan for you even when things look bleak or something bad happens in your life.

    The second quote would be Jeremiah 20:11. Its a passage that says god will help out the faithful ones and keep them from evil's harm. Its another simple quote giving you another reason to follow god and praise him, but yet its message is powerful and worthy of remembering.

    R. Casey Oberle

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  10. I liked many verses, but Jeremiah 15:5-9 was not mentioned and those verses really stuck out to me.

    5 For who shall have pity upon thee, O Jerusalem? or who shall bemoan thee? or who shall go aside to ask how thou doest?

    6 Thou hast forsaken me, saith the Lord, thou art gone backward: therefore will I stretch out my hand against thee, and destroy thee; I am weary with repenting.

    7 And I will fan them with a fan in the gates of the land; I will bereave them of children, I will destroy my people, since they return not from their ways.

    8 Their widows are increased to me above the sand of the seas: I have brought upon them against the mother of the young men a spoiler at noonday: I have caused him to fall upon it suddenly, and terrors upon the city.

    9 She that hath borne seven languisheth: she hath given up the ghost; her sun is gone down and confounded: and the residue of them will I deliver to the sword before their enemies, saith the Lord.

    Because the people will not repent and turn to the Lord, God say’s he shall destroy them. He is making the point that no one cares about Jerusalem and no one would miss them. Who cares if they are destroyed? He is tired of them backsliding. They have abandoned God and turned their back on him therefore he won’t have pity on them anymore. It’s sad because it’s like they’re playing with God’s heart. One day they will do what’s somewhat right and then the next they worship other gods. All He wants is their love.

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  11. For my second quotation/verse I chose Jeremiah 23:1-4. God is furious at the pastors who are not doing their job and are misleading the people! They shall be punished and God will take his people and put them under a shepherd who will lead them in the right direction; and they will prosper. I like how mmbarondeau mentions that God will bring all of his believers together and unite them. This is encouraging and shows that God will punish those who aren't faithful, but save those who are. When God talks about destroying Jerusalem he means he will destroy all of the wicked.

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  12. I think that chapter 23:5-6 deserves to be in the anthology. This verse deserves to be in there because it is a wonderful reminder of the promises God gave to his people all throughout the old testament and still today. These verses refer to the coming Messiah and the end of the world. It describes the peace that will come to all believers when these happen, giving us a sense of comfort of what is yet to come.
    For my second verse I would have to go with Mikayla's first verse: 29:11. I feel that this is one of the most beautiful verses in the Old Testament. It reminds us that no matter what happens in our lives God has plans for us and will guide us to what he knows is right for us. The Apostle Paul reiterated this idea in his letter to the Romans when he says "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose." By keeping these two verses in mind I can always be comforted no matter what happens in my life. I know that despite any trials or sorrows or difficulties I may be having now, God is still with me and will guide me through to where I need to be.

    John Rawerts

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  13. I really love Jeremiah 9:24-- "But let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the Lord which exercise lovingkindness, judgement, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the Lord."
    The fact that God gives the reason to rejoice being how he is a God who shows lovingkindness. He is a God who exercises judgement. And he is a God who is righteous. All can seem so distinctly different, but that God speaks of how these are the things he delights in most. We need a God who is full of lovingkindness but also is a righteous judge, and they truly do work so perfectly together! It's just so good.

    I also really like Jeremiah 4:19, especailly in the King James, because the use of the word bowels is different than what I am used to reading. But I especially love, "I am pained at my very heart; my heart maketh a noise in me; I cannot hold my peace..." It is this internalizing of the burden God has given him that makes Jeremiah's words so powerful. God gave him a message to share, but he seems to go beyond that. It's like the hurt that Lord feels over his people, Jeremiah feels. (I also LOVE Jeremiah 9:1, as a little side note... :D)

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  14. I enjoy the quote “Thus says the LORD: Let not the wise man glory in his strength; nor the rich man glory in his riches; But rather, let him who glories, glory in this, that in his prudence he knows me, knows that I, the lord, bring about kindness, justice and uprightness on the earth; For with such am I pleased, says the lord.”
    This quote sends a message that I try to follow also. For me it reminds me how I should try to be humble, but happy for what I have but not glorify my life. Even if it has somewhat a different message in a religious context, it still spoke to me.

    The second quote that I liked in an all around fashion was, "Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you. They make you worthless; They speak a vision of their own heart..."
    This reminded me of the idea that we should learn things for ourselves, we cannot believe everything that other people tell us. They speak a vision of their own heart can also mean that they speak from their own experiences and not yours, get your own experience.

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  15. A quote that really jumped out at me was Jeremiah 2:19 Your own wickness will punish you. You will see what an evil, bitter thing it is to forsake the Lord your God, having no fear of him. I, the Lord, the Lord Almighty, have spoken."

    I like this quote because it's powerful. It shows the authority of God and how foolish these people were for not obeying him.

    A quote somebody else picked that I liked was Jeremiah 29:11 "'For I know the plans I have for you,' declares the LORD. 'Plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.'"

    This quote is uplifting and it shows that God has a plan and he knows what's going on even if you don't. I think that both these quotes are very important.

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  16. Tyler Munson

    29:11 is a promising quote because God is telling us he has a plan for all of us. But only he knows those plans and we must be patient.

    13:23 is probably a refrence to sinners and the fact thhat evil men cannot change. On the other end of the spectrum a good person can always be inheirently good.

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  17. My first verse would be Jeremiah 20:11, "But the LORD is with me like a mighty warrior; so my persecutors will stumble and not prevail. They will fail and be thoroughly disgraced; their dishonor will never be forgotten."
    This shows that God is always fighting against the oppessors of Believers and that he will make them fail. If you believe in God, he will always be there to help you.

    My second verse would be that of Mikayla's, Jeremiah 29:11, "'For I know the plans I have for you,' declares the LORD. 'Plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.'"
    This verse tells us that God has a plan for everyone. If we believe in God and follow him, he will lead us down the right path that leads to happines and prosperity.

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  18. for my first verse would be Jeremiah 23:16 "Thus says the Lord of hosts:

    “Do not listen to the words of the prophets who prophesy to you.
    They make you worthless;
    They speak a vision of their own heart,
    Not from the mouth of the Lord"

    i like this verse because it says that you should trust in what god says, not in what everyone else says

    and my verse is
    Jeremiah 20:11, "But the LORD is with me like a mighty warrior; so my persecutors will stumble and not prevail. They will fail and be thoroughly disgraced; their dishonor will never be forgotten."

    this verse speaks and says that if you believe in god, he will protect yuo

    jason.s

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